I think that Odysseus might have learned that he should have treated his men more humanely rather than expect them to be as enduring as him. he probably also learned taht it is not advisable to trust men who are hungry or to leave them when you know that you cannot trust them when they have already turned on him once. i also think that he learned that being so curious puts him in many dangerous situations such as when he wanted to listen to the sirens, or when he desperately wanted to see the cyclopes that lived in the cave from the Part I.
I think that he learned that he is going to have many obstacles in his way on the trip home now. His men are dead, and his ship is destroyed, so he is probably losing some hope of getting home to Ithica.
I think that Odysseus has learned that life sometimes has a time when you have to suffer. Also there are times when you have to choose between decisions that have bad circumstances, or that always don't come out in your favor. Also,Odysseus has learned don't trust evryone to keep there word.
In my opinion he probably learned not to be so selfish. Remember when he wanted to hear the siron song. Only he wanted to hear it and he didnt want his men to hear it because he is selfish. And with his selfishness his plans dont work how they should have.
I think that Odysseus learned that his men were not like him that they were kind of weaker than him and that they didnt think like he did and that they were afraid of things that he was not.
I think Odyssues might have learned that he should have treat his men with respect other than thinking his men would do what he say. And he should not have slept when his men were really hungry and knowing that their cattle that they may were probably going to kill.
From the events of part two Odysseus may have relized how great the dangers are that stand in his way for home and how great they effect the odds of him and his crew surviving until that point of time even if they ever get there.
I think that he learned to treat his men better. They can not endure as much as he can. He is going to need his men if he has any hope of making it back home alive.
Odysseus began to realize he was going to need to push his mind and body to the limits inorder to make it home to Ithica. He must push himself to his limits or he would have traveled so far and long just to die.
I think he has finally learned to be a better leader and to take care of his men more than he has.He has learned to be more humble and to respect others.
I believe in part II Odyssus learns how much he really does want to go home, and even if you may make mistakes, your not going to make everything perfect again by trying to make up for thier unconvinence.
In partII Odysseus might have learnde that you should have made better decision and discipline his crew more so they will listten to commands.And to be more careful with his men because he just threw away their lives for his.
i think odysseus might have learned that he should have treated his men more adaquitly because if he had told his men what was going to happen they might have been able to change what was going to happen.he also might have learned not to leave starving men near living walking cattle that they were fully able to kill and eat without thinkig of the consequenses of there actions.
I think he learned that you cannot fully trust someone who has already turned on you once. If they have crossed you once it is not advisable to trust them anymore. Odysseus learned this the hard way.
i think odysseus could have learned that you have to give somethings up to reach your destination.when he went through scylla he gave up six of his men.
Part 2 was an obstacle course for many of his men and Odysseus more challenges with temptation and his men trying to lead. This part shows more leadership from Odyseus and more wits then Part 1 becauses Odyseus is as wise as it gets to get out of death but not as wise as talking and leading his men. This part Odysseus shows that he can have the fate of his men in his hands. His men kills them selve and Odysseus flaws is not as equally shown and destructive as Part 1 to his journey.
I think odysseus has learned which people to trust and which people not to trust. he learned that his very own crew is one that he shouldnt trust. his crew went against there vow of not eating the cattle. but without the warning from circe he would have eaten the cattle himself and suffered from the same punishment that of his crew indured. circe told him not to eat of the cattle of the over lord of noon as also circe told him and only him to listen to the song and told him of scylla and charybdis. i think he has learned that he needs to listen to the warning of others instead of going into the situation "blindfolded". but then he needs to take what they say "with a grain of salt" (as my family says) and know what to do if what they say is not true.
I believe that Odysseus learned that he should not just care about himself but should care about everyone else also. Also I believe he learned that in life you have to make many decissions and not all the decissions you do make will always come out the way you planed.
I think that odysseus may have learned to be less curious. As far as the Sirens go, he might have learned his curiosity can get him killed.He also may have learned the importance of life. Seeing his men die in a matter on a couple of seconds might teach him that he is not a indestructable man.
Like with Siren song he might have learned that curiosity isnt always so good! He always might have learned a bit about his men for the heifers, its not always good to trust everyone else and sometimes you should mak sure your self that everything is being handled right!
Anonymous, i agree with you if he woulndt have been so curious hen wouldnt have put his and his mens life at risk so he could listen to the Siren song,
Anonymous, i agree with you if he woulndt have been so curious hen wouldnt have put his and his mens life at risk so he could listen to the Siren song,
I think odysseus might have learn not to trust people who have already turn on him. And i think he learned to treat his people better even though he knew that all of his men were not going to make it.
i think that odysseus learned that most people arent as enduring as he is when they're starving to death. that his men would rather eat then even when they knew of the consquences that we to follow.
I believe Odysseus realized that things were alot different than he expected with his men. He may have realized where he was going wrong and hopefully he will change some of this to better his men. I think Odysseus learned that he could not trust his men alone like he used to be able to. Odysseus' men have went behind his back before and you would thing that he wouldnt not trust them but he did and i think he may have finally learned his lesson. Maybe after Part II Odysseus will change his ways and things might go a little bit better.
zach l. he wasnt being selfish when it came to the siren song. he didnt want his men to hear it because he knew they would want to follow it but he couldnt let that happen. and if he wanted to just be the one to hear it so bad then why did he have them tie him up onto the boat??
I think that he learned that this journey is going to be hard. And that he probably needs to treat his men a little better. And that they can endure as much as he can.
I would liek to know if in part 2 if Odysseus flaws too advantage of him and his curosity and temption took over, his ego control him and he lead his men with a iron whip. What if they did go the the sirens and fought off firecly but becuase of his ego he still show the kings power but not wits, what if they did go to Charybodis but stere into it but save the ship but the men. It would show Odysseus force of teamwork but not wits. I think in Part 2 his wits isn't faiding yet...
I think that Odysseus could have deffinently made better choices such as telling his men about what what going to happen instead of letting them die. Then the conclusion of the story would be different then it has come out to be so far. He is selfish and greedy and that is something that he knows he should change just doens't know how i guess. Well all in all his choices got the best of him and his men. His trip home might not be so pleasent for him though. His other emotions might get the best of him. (scared!) What might happen to him?
I think that Odysseus has lost hope in getting back to Ithica. He had already lost almost everthing else but a couple of his men. And he cant really even trust them.
Jordan, please elaborate your discussion because it doesn't seem to bring attention to me because it is very simple you could strech it out and tell what you think could happen to him on the way home or just make some observations by his actions.
I think odysseus might have learned to have some remorse for some of the things he does. In part two it says that at one point a since of grief comes upon him while they have slaughtered the cattle.
Delayna, Do you think that odysseus would ever tell his men that he was truly and deeply sorry for some of the situations he as put them in? if you do how long do you think that would take?
a.s.hodge, i agree with you if the men are hungry they are going to eat at any cost so i think it was irresponsible to leave them on their own it was his responsibilites
Xavier Platt your reply to alberts answer was kind of a duh answer. im sorry. but before anyone sets foot on a journey of there own and they should know they are going to lose something on the trip but they are also going to gain from it too. they can lose all sorts of things like money or men like in odysseus's jouney but we gain from it. and not always are those things we lose a bad thing. what if some of the men he lost were going to be ones that would do odysseus much pain what then would be gained?
Xavier, If you think that he expected to lose some of his men why do you think that he continued to endanger their lives? Does this mean that he didn't care for them?
I think he learned that he is not always going to be successful at everything you do. And i think he also learned that everyone is not going to be truthful and keep their word.
I think that Odysseus had learned that he should'nt risk his men's lives like he has. He should let them know of every situation they were about to go in. He should leave them in the "dark" about somethings. That's just not what good leaders do.
Well...we all know Odysseus was smart. Duh. And we know that he is completely aware that there is no point in traveling a long, dangerous, and exciting journey if you dont expect to be enlightened in some way. So ginger, youre really right about that.
Somehow, I can't really believe that Odysseus truly learned from these parts of his journey. Well, he did, but it's not like he used it to his mens' benefit...and with his pride and dignity, is it really very likely that he wanted to admit mistakes and try to fix them in front of wide-eyed, alert crew?
He might've learned that he wasn't perfect. But he certainly didn't act on it.
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I think that Odysseus might have learned that he should have treated his men more humanely rather than expect them to be as enduring as him. he probably also learned taht it is not advisable to trust men who are hungry or to leave them when you know that you cannot trust them when they have already turned on him once. i also think that he learned that being so curious puts him in many dangerous situations such as when he wanted to listen to the sirens, or when he desperately wanted to see the cyclopes that lived in the cave from the Part I.
I think he learned that all his men were not going to make it home to Ithica.
Jordan,
Expand on your answer some. He knew all of his men were not going to make it home after the Cyclops ate them.
I think that he learned that he is going to have many obstacles in his way on the trip home now. His men are dead, and his ship is destroyed, so he is probably losing some hope of getting home to Ithica.
Albert,
Great observation.
I think that Odysseus has learned that life sometimes has a time when you have to suffer. Also there are times when you have to choose between decisions that have bad circumstances, or that always don't come out in your favor. Also,Odysseus has learned don't trust evryone to keep there word.
Albert is right, he should have treated his men better. You really do put some thought into your answers!! :-)
In my opinion he probably learned not to be so selfish.
Remember when he wanted to hear the siron song.
Only he wanted to hear it and he didnt want his men to hear it because he is selfish.
And with his selfishness his plans dont work how they should have.
I think that Odysseus learned that his men were not like him that they were kind of weaker than him and that they didnt think like he did and that they were afraid of things that he was not.
I think he should have treated his men a little bit better exspecially after he knew that they were not going to make it home.
I think Odyssues might have learned that he should have treat his men with respect other than thinking his men would do what he say. And he should not have slept when his men were really hungry and knowing that their cattle that they may were probably going to kill.
From the events of part two Odysseus may have relized how great the dangers are that stand in his way for home and how great they effect the odds of him and his crew surviving until that point of time even if they ever get there.
I agree with u 100% albert
I think that he learned to treat his men better. They can not endure as much as he can. He is going to need his men if he has any hope of making it back home alive.
Odysseus began to realize he was going to need to push his mind and body to the limits inorder to make it home to Ithica. He must push himself to his limits or he would have traveled so far and long just to die.
Daniel,
You are right. We all suffer in life sometimes. Who do you think is suffering more, Odysseus or his men?
Albert yours makes a lot of sence. What you're saying is good.
I think he has finally learned to be a better leader and to take care of his men more than he has.He has learned to be more humble and to respect others.
Why do you say this Jordan, just because lots of his men are dying or have already died. Explain this to me more.
I think that Odysseus might have learned to not be so self centered.
I agree with Albert.
He may have learned that curiousity can get him into dangerous situations.
You put some thought into that one Albert :D
I also believe that he will be wiser, on his trip home.
He learned that he should think of his men more than himself because he got most of his men killed in part II.
I believe in part II Odyssus learns how much he really does want to go home, and even if you may make mistakes, your not going to make everything perfect again by trying to make up for thier unconvinence.
In partII Odysseus might have learnde that you should have made better decision and discipline his crew more so they will listten to commands.And to be more careful with his men because he just threw away their lives for his.
i think odysseus might have learned that he should have treated his men more adaquitly because if he had told his men what was going to happen they might have been able to change what was going to happen.he also might have learned not to leave starving men near living walking cattle that they were fully able to kill and eat without thinkig of the consequenses of there actions.
I'd say it's about even in the suffering game. The men are starving and Odysseus' men are being punished for their actions.
I think he learned that you cannot fully trust someone who has already turned on you once. If they have crossed you once it is not advisable to trust them anymore. Odysseus learned this the hard way.
But jamie is curiosity was not what got him in these situations his ignorance is what got him in these situations.
I think Odysseus learned that he shouldn't have been nonchalant to his men and that they PROBABLY won't make it back to Ithica.
i think odysseus could have learned that you have to give somethings up to reach your destination.when he went through scylla he gave up six of his men.
Part 2 was an obstacle course for many of his men and Odysseus more challenges with temptation and his men trying to lead. This part shows more leadership from Odyseus and more wits then Part 1 becauses Odyseus is as wise as it gets to get out of death but not as wise as talking and leading his men. This part Odysseus shows that he can have the fate of his men in his hands. His men kills them selve and Odysseus flaws is not as equally shown and destructive as Part 1 to his journey.
I think odysseus has learned which people to trust and which people not to trust. he learned that his very own crew is one that he shouldnt trust. his crew went against there vow of not eating the cattle. but without the warning from circe he would have eaten the cattle himself and suffered from the same punishment that of his crew indured. circe told him not to eat of the cattle of the over lord of noon as also circe told him and only him to listen to the song and told him of scylla and charybdis. i think he has learned that he needs to listen to the warning of others instead of going into the situation "blindfolded". but then he needs to take what they say "with a grain of salt" (as my family says) and know what to do if what they say is not true.
I believe that Odysseus learned that he should not just care about himself but should care about everyone else also. Also I believe he learned that in life you have to make many decissions and not all the decissions you do make will always come out the way you planed.
I think that odysseus may have learned to be less curious. As far as the Sirens go, he might have learned his curiosity can get him killed.He also may have learned the importance of life. Seeing his men die in a matter on a couple of seconds might teach him that he is not a indestructable man.
Michaela f.
Albert, awesome response. I agree with you on the trusting the men part. very interesting.
Michaela F.
Like with Siren song he might have learned that curiosity isnt always so good! He always might have learned a bit about his men for the heifers, its not always good to trust everyone else and sometimes you should mak sure your self that everything is being handled right!
Jordan, a person with such little words. what else might have Odysseus learned?
Michaela F.
Anonymous,
i agree with you if he woulndt have been so curious hen wouldnt have put his and his mens life at risk so he could listen to the Siren song,
Anonymous,
i agree with you if he woulndt have been so curious hen wouldnt have put his and his mens life at risk so he could listen to the Siren song,
I think odysseus might have learn not to trust people who have already turn on him. And i think he learned to treat his people better even though he knew that all of his men were not going to make it.
albert your post is great and you knew exacly what to say about odysseus.
i think that odysseus learned that most people arent as enduring as he is when they're starving to death. that his men would rather eat then even when they knew of the consquences that we to follow.
I believe Odysseus realized that things were alot different than he expected with his men. He may have realized where he was going wrong and hopefully he will change some of this to better his men. I think Odysseus learned that he could not trust his men alone like he used to be able to. Odysseus' men have went behind his back before and you would thing that he wouldnt not trust them but he did and i think he may have finally learned his lesson. Maybe after Part II Odysseus will change his ways and things might go a little bit better.
zach l.
he wasnt being selfish when it came to the siren song. he didnt want his men to hear it because he knew they would want to follow it but he couldnt let that happen. and if he wanted to just be the one to hear it so bad then why did he have them tie him up onto the boat??
I think that he learned that this journey is going to be hard. And that he probably needs to treat his men a little better. And that they can endure as much as he can.
I think that Odysseus learned that with big choices comes big sacrifices and he had to pay that price by losing his men to Scylla.
I would liek to know if in part 2 if Odysseus flaws too advantage of him and his curosity and temption took over, his ego control him and he lead his men with a iron whip. What if they did go the the sirens and fought off firecly but becuase of his ego he still show the kings power but not wits, what if they did go to Charybodis but stere into it but save the ship but the men. It would show Odysseus force of teamwork but not wits. I think in Part 2 his wits isn't faiding yet...
wren
i agree with you :D
I think that Odysseus could have deffinently made better choices such as telling his men about what what going to happen instead of letting them die. Then the conclusion of the story would be different then it has come out to be so far. He is selfish and greedy and that is something that he knows he should change just doens't know how i guess. Well all in all his choices got the best of him and his men. His trip home might not be so pleasent for him though. His other emotions might get the best of him. (scared!) What might happen to him?
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I think that Odysseus has lost hope in getting back to Ithica. He had already lost almost everthing else but a couple of his men. And he cant really even trust them.
Also sort of adding on to Albert's answer I think that he did expect to lose some men before he started the journey.
Jordan, please elaborate your discussion because it doesn't seem to bring attention to me because it is very simple you could strech it out and tell what you think could happen to him on the way home or just make some observations by his actions.
I think odysseus might have learned to have some remorse for some of the things he does. In part two it says that at one point a since of grief comes upon him while they have slaughtered the cattle.
Delayna,
Do you think that odysseus would ever tell his men that he was truly and deeply sorry for some of the situations he as put them in? if you do how long do you think that would take?
a.s.hodge,
i agree with you if the men are hungry they are going to eat at any cost so i think it was irresponsible to leave them on their own it was his responsibilites
Xavier Platt
your reply to alberts answer was kind of a duh answer. im sorry. but before anyone sets foot on a journey of there own and they should know they are going to lose something on the trip but they are also going to gain from it too.
they can lose all sorts of things like money or men like in odysseus's jouney but we gain from it. and not always are those things we lose a bad thing. what if some of the men he lost were going to be ones that would do odysseus much pain what then would be gained?
Xavier,
If you think that he expected to lose some of his men why do you think that he continued to endanger their lives? Does this mean that he didn't care for them?
I think he learned that he is not always going to be successful at everything you do. And i think he also learned that everyone is not going to be truthful and keep their word.
I think Odyssues may have learned that there are temptations all through out life, but you have to resist the bad ones.
I think that Odysseus had learned that he should'nt risk his men's lives like he has. He should let them know of every situation they were about to go in. He should leave them in the "dark" about somethings. That's just not what good leaders do.
Well...we all know Odysseus was smart.
Duh.
And we know that he is completely aware that there is no point in traveling a long, dangerous, and exciting journey if you dont expect to be enlightened in some way.
So ginger, youre really right about that.
Somehow, I can't really believe that Odysseus truly learned from these parts of his journey. Well, he did, but it's not like he used it to his mens' benefit...and with his pride and dignity, is it really very likely that he wanted to admit mistakes and try to fix them in front of wide-eyed, alert crew?
He might've learned that he wasn't perfect. But he certainly didn't act on it.
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